Forget About Good Deals

There a few investors who can buy stocks, or other financial assets, on sale and succeed over the long haul. The winners are household names, the value kings. Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger, Joel Greenblatt, Seth Klarman, David Tepper, and maybe a few others.

Interestingly, many of these famous value investors have actually strayed a bit from their true value roots. Buffett and Munger are now better described as "quality" investors, choosing factors like growing free cash flow, low debt, and profitability over price. This has evolved into the famous line "great companies at fair prices".

On the other hand, Klarman and Tepper run hedge funds using a lot of derivatives and leverage and are noted for being contrarians--a very different strategy from value investing as most amateur investors know it.

Value Investing

While it's certainly extremely difficult, I'm not suggesting that it is impossible to be a profitable value investor. There are clearly people out there who do well in value investing, scouring the markets for deals based on factors like Price/Book, Price/Earnings, Price/Free Cash Flow, and Enterprise Value/EBIT ratios.

The challenge is that you, the amateur investor, must be firmly rational in all your investment decisions in a systematic manner. At the same time, you must believe the entire market is irrational in its pricing of those same investment positions. That takes cojones.

Aside from the contrarian nature of value investing, there is also a massive built-in problem: the "Value Trap". A stock that is falling in price can look like a better and better buy based on value metrics right up to the point where it's essentially worthless. To protect yourself, a successful value investor needs to know exactly when to buy, how much to buy, and, maybe more importantly, when to cut your losses.

Broad-based value investing, in the form of buying the lower valued chunks of broad markets, seems to be failing in many ways. Over the past ten years, traditional, passive value funds have under-performed the whole U.S. stock market by more than 1.3% per year. Over that ten years, that translates to a cumulative investment growth of 136% versus just 106% for value. It's too soon to say if passive value is dead, or if its a temporary blip, or anything else in particular.

Every strategy has periods of out-performance and under-performance, but the widely believed value premium is certainly not a given. Even Jack Bogle, a noted proponent of passive investing, has suggested that historical analysis demonstrating a value premium is flawed. The suggestion is the value premium is actually a case of cherry-picking a good time for value investing, but over long time periods passive value will perform equal to or less than the broad market.

Trend Investing

This is why I choose trend investing instead, using leverage and a range of markets. Although buying something that appears to be on sale appeals to the frugality in me, I would rather buy something that is going up in price. I am content to following the collective rational and irrational players in the markets who slog it out every day determining the price of everything.

If the participants of a liquid market are bidding the price of a particular stock higher and higher, there's something going on under the surface. A company might be producing highly profitable products that are selling faster and faster, a company may have cut costs to increase profitability, maybe there's a takeover coming that hasn't been announced yet.

If the market is bidding down a currency, maybe the country is in economic trouble. Perhaps interest rates in the country are too high and the market is betting that rates will fall. Maybe the country is intentionally devaluing to try boost exports as part of their economic policy.

The same logic applies to interest rates. Interest rates are a great measure of risk and perceived risk. In general, the more financially responsible a borrower is, the better their rates will be. If national debt rates are going down, chances are the country is doing well, the government is going down a more fiscally responsible path, there might be a positive trade balance meaning foreign currency is pouring into the local economy.

On the other hand, if interest rates are going up, lets say on corporate debt, it might be a good signal to sell. Rates on corporate debt often begin to rise when the markets believe a company is getting into some kind of trouble. Maybe they have too much debt on their books, it could be an issue of declining market prospects in that company's sector, sometimes sales and profitability are an issue. Other times the market believes the assets held by the corporation might not be worth as much as the company has stated in the past.

It is difficult and maybe even impossible to decipher the exact reasons why price is going one way or another. However, it's easy to decipher the price itself. The price is published every day, every hour, every minute, every second and it tends to trend.

Where Valuation Comes Into Play

Just because I invest based on the market price and the trends in those prices doesn't mean I believe the price is correct relative to fundamentals. More often than not, I ignore fundamentals. To me, fundamentals and valuation come a distant second to the trend of the price alone.

No matter how cheap an asset is, I will not buy it because it is cheap. The asset only comes into consideration if the price is moving up and has entered an up-trend. I understand that means I don't buy at the cheapest price possible, but that's precisely my goal.

I would rather have the market as a whole identify a bottom and turn around a price than try finding that bottom myself only to miss over and over.

For me, cheapness, or valuation, are only important when cash is limited and I have to decide between two or more investments that are in a price up-trend. In this situation, I will go with the cheaper asset provided other factors are more or less equal.

For example, lets say I have 10% of my portfolio in cash that can be allocated to investments. There are two markets that I am following which have recently entered an uptrend. I can only buy one of those two assets, which one should I choose? Well, this is where valuation comes into play. If Market A is in the 99th percentile of its historical valuation and Market B is at the 60th percentile of its historical valuation, I will choose Market B.

Sure, Market A might go completely crazy and hit the moon. But a reasonable person making disciplined bets would have to agree that Market B has more room to run before the price gets into unprecedented territory. On a balance of probabilities, Market B is the better market to invest in.

Always buy into an up-trend and ignore value unless resources are limited while opportunities are plentiful.

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2 Replies to “Forget About Good Deals”

  1. I agree in general, the idea that some assets present a “value” opportunity, others represent stellar “growth” opportunities, and many more don’t fall into either category (and a few land in both) is a bucketing mechanism based on ideology. The future can’t be predicted. Therefore, buying “value” today doesn’t guarantee success, although it may tilt the odds in your favour. Selecting “growth” stocks is similar, some will wither away while others take off, but picking stocks which continue to demonstrate an ability to grow tilts the odds in your favour. Some will say that “value” beats “growth,” however, this is based on time period selection and perhaps more importantly, methodology. The narrative you chose will not affect your results, price movement will. Be it “value” or “growth,” neither, or both, if the price of your longs is up or the price of your shorts is down, you’re ahead.
    There is a reason to know what “value” and “growth” investing mean, other people follow these strategies. Therefore, look for what’s trending and filter out the ones that don’t get bucketed into a “known” strategy. It just means you’ve got company, and liquidity matters.

    1. Daren (Editor) says:

      Thanks for your insight Victor, great as always!
      While the broad parameters assigned to categorize “Value” can vary, they tend to revolve around P/B or P/E in individual stocks. So an easy way that many academic papers have come up with the “Value” beats “Growth” claim is to say, “we took the bottom quartile of all stocks on the S&P 500 for P/B, re-balanced the portfolio, removed and added stocks as the parameters dictated, and from 1970 to 2005 our selection beat the market by 1.5% per year. During the same time, the most expensive quartile of stocks underperformed the market by 3% per year”. Therefore value investing is superior and beats growth over time.
      As you very correctly point out, there is no proper definition for value or growth that is widely accepted. That is a huge problem in itself.
      Buy what is going up, sell what is going down. Ignore value or growth or high yield or AI or any other fetish categorization of stocks.

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